Faith Fail: “Growing Pains” Kid To Rewrite Darwin

24 Sep

Anybody remember this guy?

kirk cameron

If you’re a child of the 80s or 90s you’ll remember Kirk Cameron from his role as Mike Seaver from TV’s Growing Pains. Turns out Kirk has gone the way of many Hollywood stars, from prominent child-actor to religious nut.


ned flanders simpsons religious nutOooh, I can hear the hate mail coming down the pipe for that comment. You know what? If you’re new to this blog, go back and read earlier posts for my many, many disclaimers about my opinions. I’m tired of writing them. Besides, I’m in a prickly mood and I feel like slinging some mud. Get ready, Kirk.

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Unlike many of his contemporaries, who have gone the way of pseudo-fringe cult religions (Tom Cruise, Madonna – I’m looking at you), Kirk has decided to keep it red, white and blue, and has thrown his support behind the evangelical far-right subset of Christianity. He’s become quite vocal and active in the super-hard-core religious community, heading up The Way of the Master (a curiously-named evangelical TV show that calls to mind some kind of True Blood-esque vampire miniseries) which he co-hosts with New Zealand-born minister Ray Comfort. TWOTM has been syndicated and is in its’ third season. It’s also spawned a radio show, as well as a series of “sermonettes”: essentially minute-long nuggets of Gospel goodness (narrated by Kirk and Ray) you will hear on Christian radio across the USA.

way of the masterAll well and good, Kirk. It’s America, after all, and ostensibly they’re all about religious freedom (you know, as long as you’re not a member of one of those plane-hijacking, tower-destroying “brown” religions), so you can pretty much have your say in any forum.

Kirk and Ray are apparently taking that freedom as carte blanche to get their message – namely, Creationism is right, evolution is wrong – out there by any means necessary, even if that means defecating all over a respected scientific text.

But don’t take my word for it. Watch the video!

Okay, first of all, let me get this off my chest. Kirk Cameron, you are not cool. You were never cool. Mike Seaver wasn’t even cool. Sitting awkwardly on a backwards chair in an effort to convey some kind of intimacy with your audience or else desperately attempting to appear ‘hip’ in a world that considers you largely irrelevant is not helping your case at all. And what was with that weird “get up out of the chair” moment? Either sit on a chair, properly, or stand. Quit fucking around.

proper use of chair

Second of all: am I hearing you correctly? You want to essentially include a disclaimer in one of the most important scientific texts in the history of literature, basically saying “oh, by the way – this is basically a work of fiction”? You’re ostensibly a Christian – didn’t Jesus teach you anything about humility?

jesus christ

Here’s my thing. If you’re going to be realistic, you have to say one of two things. Either a) all theories about the nature of the universe and our place in it are just that – theoretical, or b) all of them are total bullshit and we’re completely off the mark. You want to know why?

We don’t know anything. At all.

socrates

Put your faith in science, put it in religion – it’s pretty much all guesswork right now. We just don’t have the capacity as a species to see enough of the big picture to be able to do anything but guess. Personally I’ve always taken issue with the idea of a supreme being in any form, but that’s because I’m a cynic, which means I also have to take issue with the Big Bang (some nomenclature, eh?) because the reality is either one could be just as true. I know as a writer, part of my job is supposed to be asking the “big questions” — who are we, why are we here, where did we come from, et cetera. And quite often I do address those issues. But for all my egotism, I’m not nearly arrogant enough to presume that I can tell somebody else they’re wrong. Did God put us here? Maybe. Did we evolve from fish or apes or whatever? Maybe. I can see either one. What riles me is people who can’t.

Kirk Cameron has his panties in a twist because his fundamental rights are apparently being violated – not because he isn’t free to practice his religion (he is), but because he’s not free to enforce it on other people. I would go into a step-by-step analysis of his points, but honestly, this girl nailed just about everything I would say, so check this out first:

Okay, this young lady is the other side of the coin, so concurrent to my earlier statement about not knowing anything I’d have to take issue with some of what she has to say too. But the fundamental point she’s nailing down is that Kirk Cameron is looking at the world through a very specific, very limited field of vision. He’s fighting tooth and nail for his own personal cause and that’s fine. He’s allowed. But the way he’s presenting it – all this rhetoric about personal rights violations – is patent bullshit. Nobody’s telling him “hey, you’re not allowed to be Christian anymore”. All they’re saying is “be Christian, and let other people be what they’re going to be”. His problem isn’t that Christians are being persecuted (they aren’t); it’s that Christians aren’t running the show in America anymore (which realistically they kind of are).

george w bush jr

It’s one thing to say “here’s what I believe; if you want to believe it too, maybe we can chat”. It’s another to say “here’s the right way to think, and if you don’t think this way I’m going to castigate your lifestyle and shove mine down your throat”.

His big argument for including this “foreword” to Darwin’s Origin of Species is that university students need to hear “both sides” of the debate over where we as a people originated. I’ve got a laundry list of problems with his logic.

First of all, there are literally thousands of cultures on this planet, each with their own unique creation myth (and I’ll call them all “myths”, including evolution, just in the interest of being fair). I’m sure the Navajo people, whose land your ancestors pilfered, would be thrilled to hear their estimation of human history doesn’t count as a legitimate “side” to this debate. Same goes for the Hindi people, or the Muslims, who account for a huge percentage of the human population. Hell, what about the Celts? The Maori? The Bushmen of Africa? Don’t they get a say? Isn’t their creation myth just as valid as yours?

maori

You’re drawing lines in the sand Kirk; lines you’re not fully considering. By claiming there are only two sides to this debate you’re alienating the vast majority of the human population. Guess what that means? Your argument is no longer one of equality – it’s one of political agenda.

Second of all, let’s just imagine a world where only two sides exist: the atheists and the Christians (let’s leave the agnostics and all the other grey-area people out of it for a minute, since we’re dealing with a fundamentalist – when in Rome, right?). Do you really think for one second that university-aged students living in the United States haven’t heard, at least peripherally, the Christian creation myth? It’s only the most widely-propagated stories in the entire world, to say nothing of the fact that the United States was, for most of its history, a predominantly Christian nation? “God created the world in seven days and made Man in His own image.” I don’t think you could find anybody living in the U.S. today who can’t tell you at least the basic story of Genesis from memory alone. It’s deeply rooted in pop culture, in modern philosophy, and yes – in school teachings.

history book

Are you trying to tell me that you actually need to include a fifty-page disclaimer in a hundred and fifty year-old book just to make your point? American society isn’t inundated enough with Christian dogma? More to the point, these university students you say aren’t stupid – you think they need your fun little insert to help them make up their minds about what they’re going to believe? In my opinion, Kirk, that’s an intellectual slap in the face. If I wanted somebody else’s notes all over my research texts, I’d buy them used from the U of T bookstore.

textbook

I tend to agree with ZOMGitsCriss – how would you feel if somebody decided to include a similar insert in the Bible?

bible warning

I don’t understand where these people keep coming from, but frankly I’m getting sick of reading about them. Jesus taught acceptance, loving your neighbour and “live and let live”. I dig that about the guy. What I don’t dig is so-called Christians who keep forwarding their own agenda using that poor guy’s name to back it up. Seriously, the man was already crucified – why can’t you let him alone?

Kirk Cameron, do us all a favour and go the way of most child-stars: obscurity, drug rehab and eventual news-unworthy death.

kirk cameron fail

15 Responses to “Faith Fail: “Growing Pains” Kid To Rewrite Darwin”

  1. jimfairthorne September 24, 2009 at 4:24 PM #

    This is almost as pathetic as those direct-to-dvd Left Behind movies.

  2. the mule September 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM #

    FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!

  3. Brent Chittenden September 24, 2009 at 5:14 PM #

    ….okay…this is going to sound weird….hell it sounds weird to me.

    I am defending Kirk Cameron.

    Not his religion. Quite honestly I think people like this are a little too serious.

    But in his country, he has the right to say these things.

    They may be stupid but he has that right god given, man given, whatever you want to call it.

    In full disclosure, I do like God. I do not go to church nor do I pray on a regular basis but part of me believes in something more then myself. The rest of the stuff about the Bible, meh I take the good book as pretty much that. It’s got some decent tales and moral lessons in there that are worth noting but nothing that should be worth murdering people for or going against homosexuals or anyone else for that matter.

    My God is kind of like the God we see in that episode of the Simpsons. He’s a decent god who loves people from all walks of life.

    But I do not believe my God is any more valid or invalid compared to the Hindu’s, Muslims, Witness’s, Mormons, Satanists or whatever the name of the snake god Alan Moore apparently worships.

    I am a firm believer in Darwinism and I’m pretty sure that dinosaurs were real.

    Now back to Mikey.

    I’m a firm believer that church and state should be seperate. I do not believe Bible study should be part of a public ciriculam (as it was when I started school) but I do feel that those who do not believe in Darwinism should have the right to
    1)Not be forced into learning about it if they feel it is against their beliefs

    and

    2) Should not be penalized for this.

    Forcing Darwinism in schools on people who for whatever reason it’s against their moral beliefs is just as bad as them forcing Bible study on Alex.

    As Mr. Sever here has duly noted “these students aren’t stupid” and he’s right. The kids that like his ideas, hey whatever, to everyone else, ask Kirk where Boner is.

    The point is, if Kirk wants to spend how much money he is shelling out for this (for those wondering where his money comes from, Kirk is a child star who’s parents did NOT steal their money and he has made several Christian films that somehow make a shitloads of money despite limited distribution) I am all for it.
    Just make sure to ask me if I want a copy as opposed to try to FORCE me to have a copy.

  4. Meaghan September 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM #

    I am a card-carrying, dyed-in-the-wool Christian and even I think this guy is a wack-job. Of course, I firmly believe in the tenants of my faith. Which is to say, I believe in the words of Jesus Christ. And he only gave me two commandments, 1) LOve God, and 2) Love your neighbor as thyself. Now, I have number 1 down. Number two….I try, but hey, if I was perfect, I wouldn’t be human. The rest of the bullshit that most “Christians” spew has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. It has to do with the words of a man, or men, who never even met Christ. I have a slight issue tagging along on that band-wagon. To say nothing of the countless gospels out there that didn’t make it into the bible, but have lots of interesting things to say (no this is not going to turn into ‘The Da Vinci Code: Introduction by Meaghan).

    I guess what I have to say to this whole article is people who cram their religion down the throats of other people are not living the basic commandments as set out by Jesus Christ. Grow up, get over yourselves, and remember, “Just not, lest ye be judged”, “throwing the first stone” and all those other smart, compassionate things Christ mentioned.

    Oh…and Islam shares the first five books of the Bible with Christianity and Judaism. So technically, their creation myth is the same as Christianity.

  5. Ryan September 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM #

    Observation a) he didn’t specify how many of the 61% were agnostics and how many were atheists. This could be clever wordplay disguising the fact that 60% of the 61 COULD be agnostic, not atheist. This may not be the case, but it’s an example of how religious pundits with an idea to sell manipulate rhetoric to get you to listen to what they want you to hear. They’re auditory magicians…”No wonder atheism has doubled in the last 20 years among 19 to 25 year olds… an entire generation is being brainwashed by atheistic evolution without even hearing the alternative.” Huh?! ‘Not hearing the alternative?’ I’m sorry, but you’d think that anyone who’s seen an episode of Family Guy, let alone a psychology student at the university level living in the western world, knows good and god-damned well (sorry, is that in vain?) the story/myth/of the King of the Jews. If facts are presented that this “brainwashing” is a direct result of their professor’s beliefs rubbing off on them, then the professors AREN’T DOING THEIR JOBS PROPERLY. Whatever happened to critical thinking?

    I’m not going to argue for one side or the other. I could reference theories, philosophies and theologies until I’m Star-Of-David-blue in the face, but at the end of the day, all us humans have to go on is what we see or want to see. Anyone who strongly (and I mean with unwavering conviction) advocates their point of view, whatever it may be, is trying to fill a void in their own insecure mortal soul.

    “We don’t know anything. At all.”

    I think I know what you mean by this, but I somewhat disagree. We know ourselves and what’s inside of us as individuals. That’s it. It’s like – no matter how much we have the ability to empathize with another human being, we can never truly know how they feel. The problem is when religion gets popularized and so outwardly focused in an attempt to recruit new members, it loses perspective. People try and stuff religion into a neat little package and market it, which leads to them thinking it’s theirs to sell. Pardon my existentiality, but you can’t own religion (or beliefs for that matter.) They are separate from us. We can adopt some of the characteristics we see, or want to see in them, but we can’t fully embody them. They are there to ‘guide’ us, so they must be autonomous. It bothers me when people take possession of ideals and believe it’s the only way to live.

    I’ll end with a quote not from the field of theology, but music – the religion I believe in.

    “Nothing is real.” – John Lennon

  6. Sean September 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM #

    Alex, Ryan, I humbly submit that you are vastly wrong in one aspect of your writing – Alex, two aspects, but I’ll cover that later.

    One – yes, anybody who watches The Simpsons is aware of a being called “God” which apparently gets satirized constantly, and wears a toga and sandals.
    And if you watch Family Guy, you can find yourself a few examples of a bearded “Jesus Christ – get in the car!”…

    Yes, the characters/subjects of the Bible are seen everywhere in pop-culture. That doesn’t really mean that the actual themes are present, nor that they’re properly presented.

    The satires are even further from canon than the GI Joe movie, and ten times as anemic.

    What that means is that you aren’t actually getting what’s being said…
    And whether you’ve read The Bible, The Torah, Qur’an, et cetera, or not, it’s pretty easy to see that the satires and caricatures have practically nothing in common with what’s really on the pages and between the lines.
    Now, how many kids would you assume have actually read, for themselves, or tried to understand the “other side”, rather than seeing a beer-chugging, sandal-clad, yellow foot, sitting on a huge celestial couch?

    I find it interesting, the frequency in my life, even before I decided to make life-decisions of my own, where people say:

    ‘No, I don’t want to hear about this, I hear about it all the time.’

    Do they really?

    Well, in some cases, maybe they’re right. Maybe they have an aunt that’s a Bible-thumper. Maybe they have Jehovah’s Witnesses showing up on their doorstep every other day…
    …but even in those cases, have they actually heard, or have they just made up their minds not to hear, the second anything about faith crops up?
    Can they tell me any of the messages given in the sermon on the hill?
    Are they actually listening, or is it just selective hearing?

    People who choose to listen to several sides, and legitimately reflect upon them, before making up their own mind are few and far between. Especially when it comes to topics like these.

    Also of note: why aren’t there as many Islam jokes in the media as Christian jokes?
    I mean, if we’re going to be fair, and discuss everything equally, shouldn’t we parodize Islam as much as Christianity? Shouldn’t it be the same for Judaism and evolution? Yes, I realize that this article was written about Cameron, and thus, the context is decidedly Christian. I’m talking about the pop-culture which the Christian message is supposedly “permeating”.

    Ironically, the game Halo has more Christian themes, and Christian allegory than just about anything else which is currently as popular – meanwhile, those same “I’ve heard all about it” kids are all playing Halo in droves.
    Is it a thin and meatless message? Sure… …thinly-veiled references? Sure… …still more accurate than The Simpsons or Family Guy or random bitter kid who’s “heard it all”? Sadly, yes…

    The second issue I have pertains just to the theme of your work, Alex:
    The fact of the matter is that Darwin wasn’t actually right.
    Yes, that sounds weird – it sounds as if I’m a crazy right-wing, ultra-Christian nut…
    …however, the average NeoDarwinist will tell you that Darwin’s work was not correct, and the things postulated by Darwin are not the same things held in the modern evolutionist’s belief system.

    So where’s the rub, if Cameron wants to append this book (or add a foreword, advocating an altering opinion, or at least an urge to actually listen to something else, first), when the book is not even considered canon as far as evolution goes.

    Which actually makes me wonder why it’s still teaching material for those in fields of biology and medicine, anyway.
    It’s as much a relic in the realm of teaching as academics consider the New Testament to be, so why, then, is one still compulsory, and the other not? Especially when in the case of both, you end up saying “Okay, now when reading this manual, you have to do so with an open mind, take things with a grain of salt, and realize that it was not written for us, in our time, but it’s filled with a lot of useful, important information, and seizing that information can change everything about how you see the world around you”.

    Do I think Kirk’s method is the right way to open people up to Christianity?
    No…
    …really, really no.

    That’s like choosing only the most flagrant, flaming, prima-donna homosexuals to campaign for gay rights.
    All you’re doing is alienating the people you’re trying to reach in the first place.
    If you’re trying to lobby for gay rights – if you’re trying to be taken seriously, don’t come to me looking like a 12 year old girl (wearing a 12 year old girl’s baby-doll t-shirt and glitter) when you’re an overweight, 35 year old man, and don’t come to me looking like a body-double for Tim Curry in Rocky Horror Picture Show. You’ll have much more traction if you approach the masses as regular people.

    Same to you, Kirk. If you want to win the masses over, you need to do something, first. Actions before words, and the words better not be something like “You’re all heathens and you’re all going to suffer unless you listen.”, nor should they be “You all get to have your Darwin texts in schools, so we should be able to have Bibles there, too.”
    Remember man, even Jesus had to perform a few miracles before the masses took him seriously.

    …looks like I’ve gone and written another sermon…

  7. Brent Chittenden September 25, 2009 at 12:07 PM #

    Muslims have been made fun of…a lot.
    See 89% of action movies filmed between 1984-1996.

    And I would even point out that Ned Flanders (while being mocked a bit) is probably the most likeable of all of the Simpson’s characters; good neighbor, good father, good husband, generally well liked. Puts up with Homer.

    Just some pop culture food for thought.

  8. Sean September 25, 2009 at 12:27 PM #

    I totally agree with you, Brent, the Muslim people did get a bad wrap, and that didn’t get any better, after 2001…

    But that’s still a little different. Discrimination? Definitely.

    But nobody on TV is making “Mohamed is a pedophile” jokes, or “The Jews were wrong, because they forgot to download the update to their faith, when it came out 2000 years ago” jokes, the same way they’re making “Jesus was a hack” jokes .

    While it’s totally not cool to see an entire collection of people take a beating, due to the actions of extremists (Christians, Muslims and atheists alike), I’m talking more about the actual, fundamental religious beliefs.

    As for Ned, I actually know a guy a lot like him – not nearly as ripped, though.
    And yeah, that might be a caricature with a positive depiction of the beliefs (which you’re right, that is a pretty positive light he’s cast in), but it’s not really the beliefs themselves – I don’t really see people watching that and tying the two together, when the priest is… …well, the way he is, and God is sitting on a couch, cracking beers with Homer.
    Maybe I just think too much into these things.

  9. Ryan September 25, 2009 at 1:19 PM #

    Interesting point, Sean. I just want to clarify what I meant by the Family Guy reference. There are different avenues taken when satirizing/exploiting Christ in the media. One would be the stereotypical toga wearing, sandal-weilding bearded guy portrayed as a westernized the other would be breaking down the story of Jesus into an easily digestible concept (a la Jesus Christ Superstar.) Obviously they don’t – they can’t – present the same sort of historical quality as that of, say, the man delivering the sermon on the hill. So no, in that sense I’m not suggesting that people take their entire knowledge of the Bible, Qur’an, Torah from these outlets. But, we’re talking about University level academics here – who are apparently prone to “brainwashing.” Something’s not right here.

    On Darwin…

    Right or wrong, Darwin’s ideas were revolutionary not due to their accuracy, but because they’re symbolic of a paradigm shift in human thought. This translates across all fields of human development. The touchstone shouldn’t be whether or not he was “onto something”, but that he made you question whether or not he was or wasn’t in the first place.

    “And I would even point out that Ned Flanders (while being mocked a bit) is probably the most likeable of all of the Simpson’s characters; good neighbor, good father, good husband, generally well liked. Puts up with Homer.”

    Haha. Not to mention his washboard abs.

    “Maybe I just think too much into these things.”

    No such thing in my opinion.

  10. Brent Chittenden September 25, 2009 at 1:20 PM #

    I would say The Jews get it as bad as Christian’s do, even by their own comidians.

    The reason behind Muslim’s not get picked on is that a slim minority of them and I want to be clear on this, A SLIM MINORITY of them are extremists that will declary war against you if you make the smallest joke. There’s a bunch of cartoonists at the Jyllands-Posten in Denmark and a guy named Salman Rushdie about that.

    While the Simpsons or Family Guy should have free reign to make the jokes you mention, the unfortunate part is there are one or two guys out in the middle east who might take it way too seriously and try to blow up Seth McFarlane. And unfortunate because a majority of people in that religion would probably find the joke 1) funny or 2) Not care. And it’s the extremists that gives the rest of them a bad name.

    there…I think I made a valid point and covered my ass.

  11. Shayla September 25, 2009 at 2:34 PM #

    Have you ever heard MC Frontalot’s “Origin of Species”? I highly recommend looking it up on YouTube if not. It expresses my feelings on the matter (er, that is if you take it as satire, which it is meant to be).

  12. Sean September 25, 2009 at 2:50 PM #

    Actually, as far as MC Frontalot’s song is concerned – the chorus specifically, it can’t have worked the way he suggested.

    Current humans can’t breed with current monkeys. As such, the first proto-human would have had to have inter-species sex, and then you get to the point where basically, you have bestiality, until you end up with an Adam and an Eve, where genes are relatively stable, regardless of whether they evolved to be an Adam and Eve, or were created to be.

    Humanity, as it evolved, basically had to come from one human having sex with some kind of simian, until there was more than one human, and then those two or three or four humans would have to inbreed until humanity was dominant.

    Realistically, you’re not solving any of the riddles that are presented by

    a) Adam and Eve
    b) the tower of Babel

    Yes, I know that it wasn’t your point, and I know that the song is mainly dealing with intolerance, which is a big deal, no matter which side of the debate you’re on.

    I just thought it was another point to bring up (the point being made by Frontalot), which is in direct relation to both sides in question in today’s blog.

  13. Amanda September 25, 2009 at 11:48 PM #

    Hi Alex,

    Your commentary has been providing me with a lot of laughs and some stuff to think about. I’ve been enjoying just reading SOA, but I couldn’t resist commenting how interesting this piece was for me and adding my two cents.

    Reading about how the general public views much of science, can be either really interesting or sad, (depending on your viewpoint). Particularly when it comes from individuals like Kirk Cameron.

    The “debate” over the scientific theory of evolution has been around for a long time (many Brits at the time of Origin of Species publication, disliked the thought they had something in common with an ape, let alone that they may have ‘descended’ from one), but this recurring argument over evolution in the US, is primarily based on activity in the midwest. An area known for its bible thumbing fundamentalist qualities, deep fried snickers, corn fields, and social/political views that typify them as ‘red states’.

    And at the roots of it, are christian fundamentalist groups (however, you will find other fundamentalist versions of some religions also take evolution to be a load of bull, but they aren’t as popular in the old balding white man parts of America). And the impression I am left under while learning about this ‘debate’, is that this specific group of people really really REALLY want their viewpoint(s), injected into, if not the focus of the US education system. (The whole imposing my view on everybody else philosophy applies here).

    What I think is really interesting about this? They don’t object to other “scientific theories”. Like gravity. Its a theory. Scientists technically don’t know what causes gravity, the current theory is that its caused by particles called gravitons. (For a more detailed explanation I highly recommend talking with a physicist-And are these fundamentalists going to start insisting other biblical truths be taught in school? That the Earth is the center of the universe?)

    Some of the groups involved in advocating the removal of evolution from high school biology curriculum, or adding in creationism or the new angle “intelligent design” have some pretty heavy bankrolling-corporate sponsors.
    Such as the Discovery Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Institute, their site:http://www.discovery.org/)

    The scientific community in the US (specifically science educators, the American Association for the Advancement of Science (they publish the journal science), and National Academy of Sciences (scientists that advise the US gov’t) in conjunction with the majority of biologists in the US view evolution as something that can investigated/tested/researched using the scientific method.
    Creationism, intelligent design, and other explanations are not scientific theories or hypotheses-they cant be tested using the scientific method. Therefore, they are not taught as a part of the science curriculum in public schools and universities.
    If people want to teach religious theories as a part of their religious studies/history/literature class scientists probably won’t have a big beef with that.

    However, I have to admit to a bit of a bias-I’m a biologist. And like many scientists, evolution isn’t a belief or a contradictory concept to me, nor does it conflict with religion-as I interpret and understand both religion and science. Evolution is an important theory to learn about in biology class. And it makes sense to me that you would learn about how species have changed over time (including Charles Darwin’s ideas about the natural world and organisms) in a life sciences classroom.
    Keep in mind, this movement (via Kirk Cameron and others) is a recent surge, of (a) fundamentalist religious group(s). Heck, even the catholic church has been OK with evolution for a while-I’m not sure what Jerry Falwell, the discovery institute, and others have against it and why in the 1990s it became such a big fuckin’ deal.

    The more I learn about who, what, and how people object to learning about evolution, the more I wonder as to the purpose behind this ruckuss.
    I see much of this campaign to focus on discrediting biology, or as a way to discredit science in the US and as evidence that few people in the US understand scientific theories (biological, chemical, or physical ones).

    I could go on. (and anyone can always email me if they want to discuss it further. )
    Keep up the writing Alex!

    “Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution” – Dobzhansky

  14. Shannon T. September 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM #

    Another job done well Alex. While you know I love to mock your beliefs on everything, (man on the moon who are you kidding) I think you have hit the nail on the head on the crucifx on this one. (Was that in poor taste?) while everyone has a right to their beliefs and has their right to express it as freely as they choose, it should never infringe on someone’s elses’ right to do the same. This foreward is essentially doing the same thing is it not? And to an authour who has no means to defend himsef.
    Kirkie boy is a tool. He feels his beliefs are being mocked and unfairly treated yet repeatedly does the same to other religions. But then again the bible does preach both turn the other cheek and an eye for an eye. Church and state should be seperated unless you want to incorporate all beliefs into the school system, with equal time. You can use the defense that America was founded on Christianity an therefore should be included and not the others, but remember that Christianity could not have been the foundation without the help of slavery and racism, and murder in the name of the Lord. Do we put those beliefs on the same pedastal and teach that in the classroom as well?

  15. bob May 28, 2011 at 3:06 PM #

    Anyone who believes a word of the bible needs to read it properly!!!!

    Its full of rape, murder, slavery etc and all of its encouraged by GOD!!!

    Yep! just google evil bible and see for your self

    Gotta go… need to beat my slaves

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